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From MartialTalk-Posted by celtic_crippler 11-18-2009
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Vote an Incumbant Out Campaign 2010

I just heard an announcement about Senator Robert Byrd setting a record just 2 days before his 92nd birthday for serving 57 years in Congress...

57 f'n years!?!?! REALLY?!?!?!

He's served since the Eisenhower administration.

What the hell does this guy have in common with any of you? How can somebody "represent" you, when they can't relate to "you" or your every day problems?

I remember Senator Strom Thurmond once refer to a microphone as a "machine"...

Anyway, our government is full of out-of-touch incumbants that have LONG out-served their usefullness. These bloated parasites have fed off our successes and contributed to our problems for too long.

Why vote them in again? They've had over 1/2 century to screw our country up, and as evidenced by today's environment have done a pretty good job of it too.

"We" share the blame for becoming apathetic and complacent, allowing them to return to office over, and over, and over... so we must STOP.

"We" all know that we can not trust nor count on our current representation to do anything other than pushing us further over the edge.

"We" have to start making changes, real ones, somewhere and there's no better place than at the polls.

"We" know there's no real change on the horizon if "we" trust our county's leadership to bring it about. "We" must do that ourselves... so...

Vote an Incumbant OUT in 2010.

Send a definate message to all that remain that we're mad as hell, and we're not gonna take it any more. You screw up, and do a horrible job and we'll fire your sorry butt!

Spread the word! Vote them OUT! We need fresh perspectives and ideas.

Ohio High Court Narrowly Interprets Anti-Porn Law

Author: The Associated Press Source: First Amendment Center

Title: OHIO HIGH COURT NARROWLY INTERPRETS ANTI-PORN LAW

The Ohio Supreme Court has narrowly interpreted a state law aimed to protecting children from online pornography and predators, delivering a blow to free-speech advocates who want it thrown out as unconstitutional.

In its unanimous ruling, the court said a 2004 law extending the state's definition of "material harmful to minors" to the Internet is clearly intended to apply only to person-to-person communications — not to generally accessible Web sites and public chat rooms.

"We conclude that a person who posts matter harmful to juveniles on generally accessible websites and in public chat rooms does not violate (the law), because such a posting does not enable that person to 'prevent a particular recipient from receiving the information,'" Justice Paul Pfeifer wrote in American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression v. Cordray. Options: [Read Full Story]
Source: Witches Voice

obamu: (v.) To ignore inexpedient and inconvenient facts or realities, think “Yes we can, Yes we can,” and proceed with optimism using those facts as an inspiration (literally, as fuel). It is used to elicit success in a personal endeavor. One explanation holds that it is the opposite of kobamu. (which means to refuse, reject, or oppose).

Despite the Democrats ignorance of the Constitution, and refusal to answer questions concerning their invasive pork and graft filled "Health" plan's Constitutionality and even legality, others are questioning it and some are preparing to take this matter to court and fight it.

Constitutionality of Federal Health Plan.

Pastor Tazed in US "Constitution Free Zone"

http://immigration.change.org/blog/v...antless_search

Quote:

According to this pastor, the State Security Apparatus decided to break his car windows, taze him repeatedly, and then stomp on his head because he refused to consent to a warrantless search and seizure in violation of his Fourth Amendment rights.

So, tell me again why US Border Patrol is manning road blocks outside Phoenix AZ? Isn't the border, quite a bit south of there?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...red.pastor.cnn

I know, I know, shut up and do what they say, or else Osama will win.

Federal Government to Steal land for Flight 93 memorial

I'm sure the people on Flight 93 would be proud of their government.

Quote:

Feds to condemn land for Flight 93 memorial
Thursday, May 07, 2009

The government will begin taking land from seven Somerset County property owners so that the Flight 93 memorial can be built in time for the 10th anniversary of the 2001 terrorist attacks, the National Park Service said.
...
"We always prefer to get that land from a willing seller. And sometimes you can just not come to an agreement on certain things," park service spokesman Phil Sheridan said.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09127/968459-455.stm

See also http://www.witchvox.com/wren/wn_detail.html?id=20613

Personally, I think this is a disgusting abuse of government.

At least 3 US State have passed or introduced bills telling Uncle Sam to go and get stuffed over guns.So, what will the Fed withhold from Montana to force compliance? Highway money, education money, health care and drug funding for seniors?

Montana:

Quote:

In a bill passed by the Legislature earlier this month, the state is asserting that guns manufactured in Montana and sold in Montana to people who intend to keep their weapons in Montana are exempt from federal gun registration, background check and dealer-licensing rules because no state lines are crossed.

FULL ARTICLE

Texas:

Quote:

A bill by state Rep. Leo Berman exempting Texas-made firearms, gun accessories and ammunition sold within the state from federal regulation and law -- including registration -- was heard in a House committee on Monday.

"With the appointment of Eric Holder as U.S. attorney general, we have the most anti-Second Amendment attorney general in the history of the nation," Berman said. "What we're saying with this is there are some guns not subject to federal regulation. We have guns and gun accessories and ammunition here that are not subject to their regulation."

LINK

Alaska:

Quote:

Prime sponsor Mike Kelly, R-Fairbanks, attracted 10 co-sponsors and said the bill is both a measure to allow manufacture of guns and a statement that Alaska intends to reclaim some of its rights. Alaska has seen rights eroded in the oversight of navigable waters, fish and game, and access to natural resources, Kelly said, but can reclaim rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment.
"We will handle the regulation of it," he said.
Kelly said the federal government has regulated firearms in part though the oversight of interstate commerce. The bill addresses that by exempting firearms, ammunition and firearm accessories that are manufactured and retained in the state. Guns and ammo that fit that criteria should be exempt from federal regulation, including registration, he said.

LINK

The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act

OpenCongress Summary:
The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act (formally the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education (GIVE) Act) authorizes a dramatic funding increase for AmeriCorps and other volunteer programs, and the creation of new programs for seniors and veterans. It establishes a goal of expanding from 75,000 government-supported volunteers to 250,000, and would increase education funding and establish a summer volunteer program for students, paying $500 (which would be applied to college costs) to high-school and middle-school student who participate.
President Barack Obama signed the legislation on April 21, 2009. While it authorizes $5.7 billion over six years, Congress must still approve the funding as part of the budget.

Official: To reauthorize and reform the national service laws. as introduced.
Short: Congressional Commission on Civic Service Act as introduced.
Popular: GIVE Act as introduced.
Short: Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act as introduced.

Bill Status

Introduced March 09, 2009
Voted on by House March 18, 2009
Voted on by Senate March 26, 2009
Considered By President April 21, 2009
This Bill Has Become Law April 21, 2009

Concerns:
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Service as Part of the Curriculum

1000-year Obambination? Will Your Tax Dollars Make 8 Million Goons ...

Barack Obama School-aged Indoctrination and Sedition Act of 2009 ...

clifylq: OBAMA WANTS A HITLER STYLE (STURMATEILUNG - SA) OR BROWN ...

A comment made at "Service.." wrote:

Quote:

You're right that we should read the small print. According to Alan Solomont, chairman of the Corporation for National and Community Service, this program can eventually "involve" as many as 8 or 9 million people.
So with that in mind, consider this bit of small print:
"those in an 'approved national service position' may not try to influence legislation, engage in protests or petitions, take positions on union organizing, engage in partisan political activities, or, among other issues, be 'engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of proselytization.'"
Isn't that scarey? Everyone involved in this program is forbidden to express their opinion on legislation? forbidden to petition or protest? forbidden to "engage in partisan political activities," to boycott or support a strike? forbidden to go to Sunday school or build a church?
During the campaign, Obama said he wanted to establish "a 'Civilian National Security Force' as big and as well-funded as the U.S. military. Melody Barnes, director of the White House domestic policy council, confirmed that this is it.
A lot of the small print seems unconstitutional to me. People should consult their representatives.
Also note, participation in this program is MANDATORY for anyone receiving school loans.

While I support the idea of some form of mandatory community service, I find the obvious rights violations, concerning.

I wonder.....did Congress read this?

Re: "Redistribute the Wealth"

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How many Americans here have friends and associates who's deepest concern is who won what game or who's topic of conversation is always "man I got so wasted last night"?

But that's ok. Those of us who work hard, educate ourselves, start businesses, or work 2-3 jobs while putting ourselves through higher education....we can pay more taxes so that lazybones and slacker can have government subsidized health care (while we pay top dollar for ours), government subsidized heating and electric (while we pay for ours), and even free money to spend on lotto and lobster (while we watch our money and live frugally). It's ok. It's our "Civic Duty" to help those "unfortunates".

On education: I read several hundred books every year, own a thousand+, read 4 newspapers (onliine) daily (SF CA, Austin TX (2), Buffalo NY), plus dozens of discussions like this one every day. I've taken extra training classes, community ed courses, online training, and am at Borders/Barnes & Nobel or my local ibraries weekly. I also run history chanel, food network, HGTV, DIY and Discovery as background. If our "unfortunates" did 10% of that, they'd be miles ahead.

Schools today in the US are woefully behind the technical requirements. Teaching methods in many cases are outdated, classes are over crowded, and teachers are still using maps that show the Soviet Union, and still using text books that list Sadamn as the head of Iraq. Unfortunately, even if they were up to date, balanced, and truely designed to learn, even the best teacher can't teach when the student isn't open to learn, or isn't there in the first place. Kids don't want to learn because they know they can grow up, go on welfare and have the government pay for everything. They have no idea of the value of a dollar, not because it's arbitrary imaginary money, but because they aren't required to know how to manage it.

We argue people go bankrupt because of medical bills. Those lotto winners went bankrupt because they were incapable of handling money.

Before you redistribute the wealth, maybe you need to revamp your education system so that people will be able to handle that which you give them.

Then again, maybe it's time that kids learn that they aren't entitled to anything, anything! that they didn't earn themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

How to exercise your constitutional rights during encounters with police.

Words of Wisdom from the late Harry Browne

Harry Browne - Big Government

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GHEwhdYs5U

Former Libertarian presidential candidate Harry Browne explains the dynamics of big government http://www.libertypen.com

Harry Browne: The Great Libertarian Offer

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWXpObAVdyY

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOe-KKOI4gU

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUrPDITcHv4

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqmzSishzwI

Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwhbmyCrr8

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The Declaration of Independence states that all men are created equal, and in 1776, that's exactly what they meant. Women could not vote, women could not own property, and blacks were considered property. After 200 years of enlightenment, we have realized that gender and race are inappropriate distinctions for determining who has individual rights. Anytime Gov gives you permission they let you know that you have permission by giving you a permit or a license. If you have a marriage license, what permission do you have to do now that you did not have permission to do before, who gave you that permission, and who gave them the authority to give you that permission in the first place?

Source: Libertarian Party National Convention (2004)

The war that Lincoln began was over many things. Slavery was but 1 part, and we've debated that a lot. Ironically much back in 04/05 when I first posted my articles on secession.

This time around however, slavery is not a factor.

Interestingly enough though, many of the same reasons that launched both the American Revolution and the War of Southern Independence are with us again.

We've buried the lessons of history, we've rewritten tyrants and butchers like Lincoln, Grant, Sherman and Sheridan into heroes, we've allowed the Heirs of Hamilton their dream of a large and powerful Central government, to the detriment of We The People. We proclaim Washington, Madison and Jefferson "outdated" and "not applicable" as out non-representatives in Washington sell out our grandchildren's grandchildren to save their incompetent financial backers from ruin.

More than half the country is starting to wake up, people are taking to the streets, and things are in motion. Their outcome, uncertain. Is a sleeping giant again awakening, to reclaim their country and return us to a path we should never have left, or is this just another false alarm, and will snooze be hit again, as we are further disarmed, subjugated, and made dependent on the hind tit of a decomposing dead carcass painted red, white and blue?

List of states with sovereignty motions in play a of now:
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/...y-resolutions/

Wisconsin
Illinois
West Virginia
North Carolina
North Dakota (passed house 52-40 on 04-07-09) (passed senate 25-20 on 04-20-09 - returned to house, amended)
Ohio
Nevada (Committee 04-11-09: “No Further Action Allowed”)
Oregon
Alabama (2nd Resolution, HJR403, introduced 03-24-09)
Mississippi (senate resolution introduced 03-10-09)
Pennsylvania (senate resolution introduced 03-19-09)
Idaho (Passed House 51-17, on 03-23-09, Passed Senate on 04-07-09)
New Mexico (tabled in committee)
South Dakota (passed house on 03-03-09 by a vote of 51-18, passed senate on 03-05-09 by a vote of 20-14)
Virginia
Kentucky (2nd resolution introduced on 02/24)
Alaska (2nd resolution introduced 03-19-09) (HJR27 Passed 37-0 on 04-06-09) (Senate Passed HJR27, 19-0, on 04-19-09 - Awaiting Transmittal to Governor)
Indiana (2nd Senate Resolution Introduced 03-19-09) (SR0042 Passed Committe 8-0 on 04-01-09) (SR0042 Passed Senate 44-3 on 04-09-09)
Tennessee
Arkansas (failed in committee on 03-04-09 passed committee 04-01-09
Minnesota
South Carolina (passed house on 02-26-09, senate - referred to subcommittee)
Georgia (Senate Version - Passed 43-1 on 04/01/09)
Kansas
Texas (senate resolution introduced 03-02-09 - senate’s 2nd resolution introduced on 03-04-09)
New Hampshire (resolution killed in house on 03-04-09: 216-150)
Missouri
Iowa
Montana (Failed 51-49 on 02-24-09) (Resolution reintroduced as HR3) (HR3 Passed House Committee on 04-21-09)
Michigan (senate version introduced 03-03-09)
Arizona
Washington
Oklahoma (passed house on 02/18/09, senate version passed 25-17 on 03-04-09) (Joint version passed Senate, 29-18 on 04-15-09 - awaiting signuture of governor) Failed House vote, 54-34)

Sounds like "We The People" are waking up an deciding that an out of control and out of touch "Elite" needs a reminder on the Constitution and the real limits to their powers. About fucking time America.
About. Fucking. Time.

Can Texas Really Secede?

That's the question floating around now that Texas Gov.

Neither the US Constitution nor the Texas Constitution specifically mention any way to separate.

The Texas Constitution says this about Texas and the US.

ARTICLE 1. BILL OF RIGHTS Sec. 1. FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY OF STATE. Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States.

This would seem to indicate that Texas consideres itself a partner with the United States, not a subservient section of it.

Now, we've established in the past (see below) that secession is legal despite the outcome of Mr. Lincoln's Illegal War and the forced at gunpoint readmission of the states that supposedly never left (How do you reenter end you never left?).

So, my take on this matter is, if Texas decides to secede, it will. A motion will possibly go to the state government, be passed onto the people to decide, and the "Will of the People" followed. Of course, there are economic, political and social matters to consider. This isn't something to do lightly, nor quickly. Care must be used, and if a division occurs, it should be peaceful, to maintain good relations between the 2. Both sides must be aware that we have enemies who will use such an event to their advantage, and our disadvantage. In the eyes of many, even if we divide, we are all the same to them.

Personally, I'd prefer to see a motion to consider the option put forth on this years ballot, so that the public's opinion could be weighed. A large number calling for consideration could carry as much weight if not more that actually doing it, and accomplish much of the same goals, while not rushing into something hastily.

Here's some related links.
The idea of Secession.
Chuck Norris Talks Secession (not recession)
Revisiting the Past : Part 1 - An examination of the concept of Secession
Revisiting the Past : Part 2 - The Road to War : Causes
Revisiting the Past : Part 3 - An re-examination of the concept of Secession
Revisiting the Past : Pt 4 - The Institution of Slavery, cause for war. - Bob Hubbard

Not sure when this video was made, but Robin makes some good points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_L1vLv84vs

I have the right to do whatever I wish with my property. If I own a pile of wood, I can set fire to it even if it is currently nailed together in the shape of a barn. Cigarettes may not be healthy for me in the long run, but I have the freedom to smoke them anyway. Drinking alcohol may or may not have negative side effects, but even if it does, the government has no authority to prohibit you from consuming it, even if it is "in your own best interest." Since when do we let the government decide what is or isn't good for us? What the hell does Congress know about nutrition, anyway? (For that matter, what does Congress know about the Constitution?) If the government can use force whenever something is "in our best interest" then government should force everyone to wake up at 6am every morning for calisthenics in the front yard. Fast food establishments should be torn down and replaced with bars that serve carrot juice and alfalfa sprouts, since - "it's in your best interest." This paternalistic attitude that "the government knows best" and that you are merely a helpless child is insulting and reprehensible. Hitler used the same attitude to persuade the Germans to subjugate themselves to the "Fatherland."

Source: Good to be King (2004)

Should the 17th Amendment be repealed?
(originally posted on MartialTalk)

According to the original design of the founding fathers; U.S. senators were not directly elected by the voting public, but by the state legislatures. This changed in 1914 with the passing of the 17th Amendment, which put the election of Senators into the hands of the general public. With this, the balance between the people, the states and the federal government was broken.

While on the surface this seems smart, has it really worked out all that well?

United States Constitution, Article I, Section 3

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, chosen by the legislature thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote.

Amendment XVII

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislatures.

Read this interesting article by Thomas J. DiLorenzo and lets open the discussion.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo93.html

Other notes:
http://www.articlev.com/repeal17.htm
http://repealthe17thamendment.blogspot.com/
http://www.liberty-ca.org/repeal17/s...a2003oneil.htm

You have Rights; the Government has Privileges - Michael Badnarik 1/3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc4PbRQtwz0

You have Rights; the Government has Privileges - Michael Badnarik 2/3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bDlVoElbd8

You have Rights; the Government has Privileges - Michael Badnarik 3/3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZB_Vwmto0

For U.S. immigration, 'partnered' doesn't count

Quote:

John Wildermuth, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, April 3, 2009

Shirley Tan has been with her partner, Jay Mercado, for 23 years. The Pacifica women have twin 12-year-old sons and have been registered domestic partners since 1991.

That means nothing to the federal government, which recognizes only a marriage between a man and a woman. Federal authorities ordered Tan, who is not a U.S. citizen, to be deported from San Francisco to her native Philippines this morning.

But with the help of her congresswoman, Rep. Jackie Speier, D-Hillsborough, Tan received a three-week stay of the deportation order, allowing her to remain with her family until April 22.

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